Antidepressants
[Home] [Bipolar News] [Bipolar Disorder] [Medications] [Treatments] [Bipolar Disorder/Job/School] [Disabilities] [Ask the Doctor] [Ask David] [Self-Injury] [Personal Stories] [Graham's Column] [Steven's Column] [Storm's Column] [Columnist Archives] [Suicide] [Community Support] [Family Members] [Expressions] [Greeting Cards] [Books] [Awards] [Links & Rings] [About Us] [Contact Us]

 


Antidepressants, cycling, and strategy

Hi, I have Bipolar I, moderate severity. I am on Depakote 750 mg/day (blood levels at 90) and just started Wellbutrin 50mg/day. In the past I have had switching of phases when on Prozac and Zoloft even though I was also on Lithium. I have also tried Effexor, Serzone and Remeron for depression and none worked. One day after starting the Wellbutrin, I became hypomanic for a week. Now I am back in the depressive phase almost to the same severity of that before taking the Wellbutrin. Are there better antidepressants for Bipolar I? The doctor suggested an antipsychotic + Depakote + Wellbutrin. Is this a common treatment? Can Wellbutrin cause cycling between depression and mania? Thanks in advance.

Dear Elizabeth --
Yep, you're figuring it out all right.  Wellbutrin is amongst the best of the antidepressants in terms of not causing cycling, but boom, there you went.  So, you should conclude (my opinion) that you can't affort to take any antidepressant, at least not in conventional doses (what did you take of the Wellbutrin?  100mg?  I sometimes use 1/2 a 75mg pill if I'm worried about precipitating what you experienced).  And never on a sustained basis.  That's my opinion, mind you; a lot of mood experts agree, but not all.

So, what can you do instead when you're on Depakote and get depressed?  First, use lithium, even in low doses (if it bothered you before at higher doses).   Second, regular schedule and daily or 5-day/wk exercise: it's a clear antidepressant and probably a mood stabilizer.  Of course, very difficult to do when you're depressed, but a few of my patients have managed.  That exhausts the won't-make-you-manic options.

Then, add other less certain mood stabilizers.  Carbamazepine has little antidepressant effect, rather like Depakote, but if you're cycling, and it stops your cycling, then it's as good as an antidepressant, no?  Better -- no risk of inducing hypomania.  But, that doesn't work for everybody, and carbamazepine is a little messy (it's cousing Trileptal, new to the US, may be easier to use).  In particular, it can go poorly with lithium and sometimes Depakote.

So, at that point, consider lamotrigine.  Great antidepressant, not too sure about it as a mood stabilizer yet.  Just go super-slow on the dosing.  If you're still on the Depakote, I start it at 1/2 a 25mg pill every other day for 2 weeks, then 1/2 every day for two weeks, then 1/2 twice a day for 2 weeks, then increase by 1/2 pill per week.  Seriously, you have to go that slow to avoid the rash, which besides being life-threatening if you go too fast, will completely blow your chance to try this sometimes astoundingly good medication.  So it's worth it to go slow, you see?  Do Not Follow The Manufacturers Dosing -- it's too fast, about 1/10 people get a rash and have to stop.

And finally, just to show you and anybody else who's listening that there really are a whole lot of things to try before you get even a little bit extreme (like trying a low dose antidepressant for a few days and then stopping -- that's extreme compared to all these other options), try a low dose new-generation antipsychotic.  Start with Zyprexa (e.g. 1/2 of a 25 mg pill) if you're having any difficulty sleeping at all.  Or start with Risperidone (e.g. 0.5 mg per night) if you're oversleeping -- it probably has more antidepressant-like properties than Zyprexa.

Lots of things to try before you turn to antidepressants, no?

Dr. Phelps


Published November, 2000

Bipolar World   1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014
Owners: 
Allie Bloom, David Schafer, M.Ed. (Blackdog)
Partners:  John Haeckel, Judith (Duff) 
Founder:  Colleen Sullivan
 

Email Us at Bipolar World

 

About Us  Add a Link  Advance Directives  Alternative Treatments  Ask the Doctor   Ask Dr. Plyler about Bipolar Disorder   Ask The Doctor/ Topic Archives  Awards  Benny the Bipolar Puppy  Bipolar Chat  Bipolar Children  Bipolar Disorder News  Bipolar Help Contract  Bipolar World Forums  Book Reviews  Bookstore  BP & Other mental Illness   Clinical Research Trials & FDA Drug Approval   Community Support   Contact Us  The Continuum of Mania and Depression   Coping   Criteria    Criteria and Diagnosis  Criteria-World Health Disabilities,  DSMV-IV   Dual Diagnosis  eGroups  Expressions (Poetry, Inspiration, Humor, Art Gallery, Memorials  Family Members   Getting Help for a Loved One who Refuses Treatment  Greeting Cards  History of Mental Illness  Indigo  Job and School  Links  Manage Your Medications  Medications   Medication and Weight Gain    News of the Day  Parent Chat  Pay for Meds  Personal Stories  Self Help  Self Injury  Significant Others  Stigma and Mental Health Law  Storm's Column  Suicide!!!  The Suicide Wall  Table of Contents   Treatments  Treatment Compliance  US Disability  Veteran's Chat  What's New?