Q: Severe Depression which Cycles w/Severe Anxiety - Suggestions?
This is my third email to you and never did I get a reply. I'm doing terrible
and would appreciate your insight. I'm begging, as life is getting unbearable.
Dr. Phelps, I've been diagnosed with BP II recently. I'm a 39 y.o. wm., Married
with 2 young kids 5 and 7. This all started about 3 years ago and has gotten
progressively worse over time. I've been out of work since March 2006 due to
this. My marriage is falling apart because of this and my kids, who mean the
world to me are affected by all of this, which makes me feel even worse. I can
only tolerate 1.25mg of Lexapro. Any more than that and I get very sick with
terrible flu like symptoms. I currently take Serzone 150mg bid, Klonopin 1mg
bid, and Xanax 0.5mg prn. I am weaning the Serzone from 400mg to the 300mg. I
have been an RN x 14 yrs and functioned at high levels. This all started when
my brother who was 39 died 3 years ago. We were best friends and just 18 mos.
apart in age.
My symptoms: Severe depression which cycles with Severe Anxiety, the inner type
of anxiety you talk about which makes me want to crawl out of my skin. The low
dose of Lexapro seems to be helping the depression believe it or not, but the
Chronic anxiety is just terrible. It wakes me out of sleep in the morning and
stays with me all day. I tried Lamictal, but I developed and Akathisia from
it. I know this is rare, but I am extremely med sensative. Usually, the
depression is not present with the anxiety. I've been through 7 psychiatrists
since March 2006 and no one can get it straight. I tried Depakote and it
chilled me out, but the sedation at 125mg was unbearable. Same thing with
Seroquel 12.5mg bid. This inner restlessness is the worst thing I have ever
experienced in my life and this is coming from someone who is very stoic.
Lastly, the Serzone worked for me for about 6 years which I just took for Panic
attacks. Never did I have GAD until after my brother passed. The Serzone
either pooped out or it just isn't effective for these new symptoms. I tried to
go up before I came down and going up just made me worse. Maybe the
noradrenaline antagonism isn't for me right now.
If you have any suggestions, I would greatly appreciate them. Your site is
wonderful and very informative.
Dear Mr. E. --
Sorry to hear about how rough things have been (and not
sure what happened to the two previous e-mails you mentioned; I did not see
them. Readers should remember that not every question can be answered). Here
are some ideas which your description raises:
The way you date the onset of these symptoms to your
brother's death of course makes one wonder what there are somehow some
unresolved issues there, fueling this whole thing. That concern is raised
further by the unusual late age of onset of these symptoms. As you know, the
average age of onset of bipolar disorder (including Bipolar II) is generally
much younger, age 18-25. Having a very good psychologist think through the story
with you, diagnostically and then perhaps therapeutically, might be an important
option if not yet tried.
However, you seem to be describing a very "cycling" process here in which
symptoms shift from depression to anxiety, at least in terms of which one is
predominating. If you have a family history of bipolar disorder that is fairly
well established, that would make interpreting your shifting symptom set as
"bipolar" easier. If not, from just the information you have provided here, I
would say that the diagnostic issue may still be open.
If at some point the "bipolar" diagnosis is firmly established, I have one main
idea for you (which I hope applies; I can't be sure). I'm hoping that when you
were taking Lamictal (lamotrigine), you were taking an antidepressant at the
same time. Akathisia on Lamictal is almost unheard of; but if you were taking an
antidepressant at the same time, then the possibility remains that this side
effect emerged only because of the combination, not the Lamictal itself, and
therefore Lamictal as an option may remain open. This would be particularly
important if you actually saw some improvement on it.
Likewise, with any other medication you have already tried, but which was not
tolerable or not effective, if an antidepressant was in place at the time, you
may have to consider repeating the trial. Sedation is not a common product of an
antidepressant/mood stabilizer combination, so is not likely to be a symptom you
can work around with this approach, but when you are running out of options you
have to be absolutely sure.
Best of all would be to discover that since this all began you have been on an
antidepressant throughout. In that case, the possibility emerges that the
anxiety you describe, including especially anxiety that can at times wake you
from sleep, is coming from the antidepressant. (Alternatively, one would have to
wonder about the grief that losing your brother may have caused and still be
causing; that too could produce this phenomenon and requires a very different
Going through seven psychiatrists in two years is concerning: it raises the
possibility that people are offering you treatments that you don't want to hear
about, or work your way through. This may not be the case at all; but it has to
Finally, I do not see lithium or carbamazepine on your list. These are
candidates for addressing the symptoms you describe, if you find a psychiatrist
willing to try them after evaluating the pros and cons with you.. Because
lithium is not metabolized by the liver (it is cleared by the kidney with no
liver involvement), if you have a liver metabolic rate which is much slower than
average (not uncommon; and could explain your exquisite sensitivity to
medications metabolized through the letter), that will not affect dosing with
lithium. On the other hand, that issue will be much more of a concern if you try
carbamazepine, where it it would probably be wise to start with 25 or 50 mg
instead of the usual 100-200 (or more, and some hands) per day. This
consideration also applies to the carbamazepine cousin, oxcarbazepine (Trileptal).
Good luck with the process. I hope something in there proves to be of use.
Published March, 2008