Any Thoughts on This Situation?
I was dx.
with bipolar disorder at age 30, after suffering mood swings from the age of
18. I took meds for 6 years and was hospitalized a number of times. I was on
disability. I had noticed a huge influence from my menstrual cycles on my moods
and went to a gynecologist. He tried me on the Depo Provera shot "to stop me
from cycling." It was a nightmare for 3 months. Rather than stop my cycle, it
caused it to go for 3 months straight, and my moods went from awful to downright
terrifying. I went to another gynecologist. He performed a hysterectomy. I
had large cysts and a fibroid tumor, along with the 3 month cycle, so it made
sense, and I was desperate for relief from the mood swings. After the
hysterectomy, I stabilized. I was able to stop taking meds for 2 years. I had
some minor mood issues, but I could ride them out and had convinced myself that
my whole issue had been hormonal. I went back to work full time. I took charge
of my life. Recently, stress has returned. And the mood symptoms have as
well. Depression mixed with agitation and irritablity and inability to sleep.
I am taking Cymbalta prescribed by my GP for the last 3 weeks. I asked him if
this was a bad idea, given I had previously been dx. as bipolar. "No", he
said. "It's fine." It's getting worse. I have an appointment with a
psychiatrist in a few weeks. I guess I'm just confused as to how I could have
been so chronically ill before, had the hysterectomy and recovered so well and
now it's all come back. I know that you have interest in the study of hormones
and bipolar disorder. Do you have any thoughts on this situation?
Dear W’ --
Yes, a couple of thoughts –
1. Moods made worse by hormone changes -- yes,
that's common. Better when some treatment is applied to make hormonal cycling
stop ? -- yes that's know to work sometimes (Your hysterectomy included ovary
removal also, one would presume; a “total hysterectomy”, as it’s sometimes
abbreviated in non-medical English.)
Unfortunately, the same hormonal treatments that
work for one woman commonly may not work for another, or, as in your experience,
can make things worse. So it is really hard to know who can benefit from this
2. In any case, things are better therefore
allow. I'm sure you were very disappointed, and perhaps puzzled, to see
symptoms returning after a long period of doing much better. More stress,
perhaps, as you noted.
3. But then comes Cymbalta. As you may know, the role of
antidepressants in the treatment of bipolar disorder is controversial. Perhaps
the GP, and perhaps even you as well, may have thought that what you had before
was not "really" bipolar disorder (as though that is something that one either
has or does not have. That is the old thinking. The new thinking, as discussed
by the head of the Harvard mood disorders clinic more than five years ago (Sachs),
is that people have varying degrees of "bipolarity". But I digress again).
But now it’s worse. So, was it going to get worse
anyway, or is Cymbalta playing a role in that? Of course, that is hard to know.
Which is why the controversy about antidepressants continues. However, to the
extent that you do indeed have "bipolarity", that is the extent to which
worrying about the Cymbalta is warranted.
What is the psychiatrist whom you're going to see
(I am so slow lately, I hope you have already seen her/him) likely to do with
the Cymbalta? Well, that depends on how one interprets your history (and of
course she or he will have a much better understanding of that after talking
with you for a while), and, ironically, on the presumptions and biases of the
One way to explain what happened to you is that you
had a mild degree of "bipolarity" which was apparent when your hormones were
cycling up and down, but much more subtle (it sounds like you could still notice
it somewhat) when they were stable -- as long as the stress levels were not too
great. But when life became more difficult, the symptoms were more apparent
again; until Cymbalta, at which point they became even more pronounced with the
antidepressant exacerbating the underlying cycling.
Of course that is just one way to explain it and
after taking a good history, I hope the new psychiatrist will have helped you
consider several interpretations and treatment options. Good luck with the
process from there --
Published February, 2010